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  • edthelorax
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Re: Power grab
Reply #15
Where were the freedom fighters when I lost my freedom to smoke pot in my own house?
Why do I have dead friends after we found out it was the usgovt bringing the drugs into the us.?
Why aren't there protests over giving corporations money to be repaid by my children?
They are not using the guns to protect against blacks being murdered by white cops,
They only care about their right to carry a gun. Nothing else matters.
Selfish as could be IMHO.
I wonder if any politician has thought any of this rioting might be exacerbated by their stupid response to Wuhan flu? First they shut down the economy and since there have been 40 + million put out of work; those are ready to protest or more correctly spread mayhem, and they are. Second, there is no need to try other means to support their families as the government in many cases is paying them more to stay off the job. Now in all the stupidity the politicians can muster, they want to pay bonuses to go back to work, probably will pass and be corrupted as looting and fencing the loot is likely more profitable. The schools for many years now are devoid of any morals based curriculum and teaching/learning has plummeted to record lows, as reported by the department of education, but the indoctrination of political correctness with regard to everything immoral and irresponsible continues with the threat of federal funding if it is not. This is the result of government getting too big and too intrusive as well as being the provider for vastly too many. Citizens are to support government not the other way around.

The link is to an interesting story about Davey Crockett running as an incumbent for congressman from Kentucky. It communicates a fine example of citizen involvement in the political process.

https://fee.org/resources/not-your-to-give/
We have known and talked about how our economy was enjoying prosperity now to be paid for in the future.
We have known that if public education continued it's decline that at some point it would fail to produce enough independent, hard working, intellectuals to keep America the number one nation in the world.
We knew every fiat currency has critical defects by design that have only one eventual outcome.
We have known since 1933 that there is a banking cartel that is taking the wealth of the people and giving it to themselves and their buddies. We knew that some day, they would have it all.
We knew if we didn't constantly work toward eliminating racism that it could eventually be used as a distraction from the cause of the issue. Few whites hate blacks, few blacks hate whites. Sometimes blacks are justified being angry to the point of violence, but it isn't whites they are justified "hating" it's the ones that have set up rules that stacked the deck against the lower income people (many black)  in favor of the few that already had a lot (most of them are white) Sometimes whites are justified being scared of a group of black people, not because they are black but because they have been oppressed by people that happen to be white.
We knew some day in the future when they had enough of our wealth, when they had divided us into have and have not they would come for our freedom.
The future is here.
The few really rich knew exactly how to create a currency, slowly make it fiat, expand it so those at the top could spend a lower % therefore invest a higher % of income and eventually the compounding would make their accumulation dwarf those that were lucky to save %5.
The bubble burst before cv19 or riots both were used to shift blame away from the bubble blowers.  If I was smart enough to see what was eventually coming, the leaders of the fed sure the hell did too. WAY better than I, for sure.
This is all a set up.
step 1 put us as far into debt using something make believe.
step 2 create a situation where that debt can not be repaid
step 3 get those with debt to blame those with nothing and vica virsa so they can fight each other
step 4 take everything they used as collateral for the privilege of using your debt illusion.
step 5 change system so no one else can leverage nothing to compete with your everything
step 6 use your everything to buy the elimination of anyone speaking of any way other than you at the top and only good slaves below you
step 7 have generations of descendants that can enjoy your forward thinking of how to use the available resources to your advantage.
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Very well put Ed! You hit a box of nails on their heads.

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Reply #17
With the nonsense in political circles running rampant and the "press" and social media  in full censoring, indoctrination and propaganda mode, I thought it would be a great time to pull this thread to the front.

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With the nonsense in political circles running rampant and the "press" and social media  in full censoring, indoctrination and propaganda mode, I thought it would be a great time to pull this thread to the front.
Well here in Idaho, a Internet company is blocking social media. I agree.
Lat week I severed my last link to google products when I ended webmaster tools. I don't care if I am not found on google. I hope it will be soon that google is in the rear view mirror.

Use duckduckgo search engine. Honest and unbiased results. They don't hide who they don't approve of.

  • edthelorax
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I have noticed that the same people that supported tax cuts for corporations and opposed governmental regulations are the same people crying about the power that AAPL, GOOG, FB, Soros, et al. now have. The first amendment isn't about what speech an individual (corporation) can limit in their own domain.  I believe that I should have the right to remove any post on my website that I feel is inappropriate. Period. Linking conservatism with the terrorists in DC is the same as linking burning buildings during the BLM protests with liberal thinking people.
It appears that the same group that vows to "Fight for Freedom" is the same as those that support severe punishment for those who seek to expand their consciousness with mind-altering chemicals. What could be a more basic freedom?

Republicans and Democrats are NOT the problem.  The RNC and DNC both have allowed the FED to take and maintain complete control of our freedom (money.)  They and the money that they get from corporate donors are the problem. 
We have the resources to ensure everyone in America has an education, (not this bullshit system we have now) food, clothing, and shelter. We also have the ability to tax citizens at a rate that entices people to work. You can't blame people for following the system's rules to get free healthcare and food any more than you can blame Amazon for hireing the best CPA's in order to pay as little tax as possible.

The claims of the Capitol terrorists are valid just like those supposed grievances of the 911  terrorists, The US government wants to control the lives of real people.  The real problem is that no one understands what freedom is anymore. Don't tell me you are for freedom and you agree that I can't have a safe abortion, shoot heroin, smoke crack, or snort bath salts in my bedroom.

I believe the lack of security at the Capitol was designed to prove that there is a great disparity in law enforcement based on class.

Objectively, I see that we as a Nation deserve what we are about to get. The blame for the economic collapse does not lay at the feet of Trump or Biden, it is our fault for letting the FED get away with what we have for for the last 107 years,
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I have noticed that the same people that supported tax cuts for corporations and opposed governmental regulations are the same people crying about the power that AAPL, GOOG, FB, Soros, et al. now have. The first amendment isn't about what speech an individual (corporation) can limit in their own domain.  I believe that I should have the right to remove any post on my website that I feel is inappropriate. Period. Linking conservatism with the terrorists in DC is the same as linking burning buildings during the BLM protests with liberal thinking people.
It appears that the same group that vows to "Fight for Freedom" is the same as those that support severe punishment for those who seek to expand their consciousness with mind-altering chemicals. What could be a more basic freedom?

Republicans and Democrats are NOT the problem.  The RNC and DNC both have allowed the FED to take and maintain complete control of our freedom (money.)  They and the money that they get from corporate donors are the problem. 
We have the resources to ensure everyone in America has an education, (not this bullshit system we have now) food, clothing, and shelter. We also have the ability to tax citizens at a rate that entices people to work. You can't blame people for following the system's rules to get free healthcare and food any more than you can blame Amazon for hireing the best CPA's in order to pay as little tax as possible.

The claims of the Capitol terrorists are valid just like those supposed grievances of the 911  terrorists, The US government wants to control the lives of real people.  The real problem is that no one understands what freedom is anymore. Don't tell me you are for freedom and you agree that I can't have a safe abortion, shoot heroin, smoke crack, or snort bath salts in my bedroom.

I believe the lack of security at the Capitol was designed to prove that there is a great disparity in law enforcement based on class.

Objectively, I see that we as a Nation deserve what we are about to get. The blame for the economic collapse does not lay at the feet of Trump or Biden, it is our fault for letting the FED get away with what we have for for the last 107 years,
... it is our fault for letting the FED get away with what we have for for the last 107 years,

Well the Fed was originally designed to support employment during a economic down turn by allowing companies to borrow to stay in business and allow for the maintaining of jobs within. I think it was at the point of the first WW that the government changed the role where only the Fed can loan to government. What it has morphed into now days is one big cluster fuck.

.... I have noticed that the same people that supported tax cuts for corporations and opposed governmental regulations are the same people crying about the power that AAPL, GOOG, FB, Soros, et al. now have.

Sounds like the republicans. Always supported big business that employees so many which is fine. People with money create jobs. Now that has all changed. The power of lobbying has morphed this government into a state of fascism. Otherwise corporations run the show.

.... We have the resources to ensure everyone in America has an education.

It takes more than resources. It takes the willingness to expand ones capabilities in order to gain meaningful employment. Many of the people now days take advantage of the gravy train which is slavery. Instead of expanding their horizons they choose a handout. This ruins them. They never will see the potential of a life well lived.

... I believe that I should have the right to remove any post on my website that I feel is inappropriate.

That's fine. But what we have in addition is the threat from both party's is to imprison all Trump supporters. This gives new meaning to the words "suppression of free speech". I say that any corporation that denies this freedom doesn't deserve a income. Let the free market decide their fate.

... Linking conservatism with the terrorists in DC is the same as linking burning buildings during the BLM protests with liberal thinking people.

Hardly. We saw the interviews of blm leadership openly declare that they were behind all this shit and that they were "trained marxists".  A marxist is a liberal. I know, I was one in my youth. I know how to overthrow a government. I must say that they are not trained as well as they think. What happened in DC was the utilization of the agent provocateur tactic. Otherwise false flag event.

... I believe the lack of security at the Capitol was designed to prove that there is a great disparity in law enforcement based on class.

I have not a clue what your trying to convey here.

https://youtu.be/3zJzCfGlYEg
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Good discussion started here. WRT the cancellation of a poster and the statement "I believe that I should have the right to remove any post on my website that I feel is inappropriate.", I have some personal experience. A couple years ago, I posted a conservative view on a yahoo message board that was in directed contrast to the message which I replied. I was banned and remain banned from any Google owned business' participation. With that as background plus the situations like that of Parlor, I would like to share some thoughts.
First, I agree with the premise you have the right to remove content. This forum is your private property and you make your own decisions for how it is run; we are invited to participate. It was good that the Russian porn advertisement the other day was removed and maybe the poster's account. In the case of the Google companies, Twitter, Amazon and similar, they are public companies providing a common carrier service and the section 230 clause often brought into the conversation basically acknowledges this by giving liability protection for content that travels across their infrastructure. I am quite sure a similar firm provides the intermediate service connecting your website with end users.
In my case, they did not like my content and censored me by removing my account. Should a common carrier have that authority? If so, then it should also be alright for the delivery service to refuse to deliver mind expanding paraphernalia and consumptive products to your door if they do not approve of the use, or the electric, water or sewer utility to deny service because you might have a political view unfavorable to their business. The answer obviously is no, but the difference is they are a carrier and you use their service to operate your private business. If this site's internet service provider did not like precious metals and cancelled service I would not think that was appropriate just I did not think cancelling my account was appropriate, particularly given that the federal government gave them liability protection.
The second major point I would like to make centers around "I should have the right to remove.....". When you make decisions, I seriously doubt you get on the phone with several similar site operators and discuss the forthcoming decisions so that you can act in concert. While the several companies providing carrier service probably did not have a formal meeting, there probably was coordination, even if only one company after another following the leader. That is the definition of racketeering and is illegal under provisions of the RICO act.
My whole point centers around the fact that you believe that you should have the right to remove any post on your website that you feel is inappropriate is completely acceptable because you operate an independent information service wholly owned by you. The big corporations providing ISP service are a common carrier and do not and should not have the right to impose their will on the content going over their infrastructure by denying service no more than any other utility should be able to deny service for similar reasons. The whole point of section 230 was to protect those carriers from potential liability and remove "policing" from their legal obligations.

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It's a very fine line between what is censorship and protecting the platform when it comes to terms of service.
We all feel it was the right thing to ban the user who posted Russian porn.  Thank you Ken for all your help with that!!
Sandy, I see your point about the carriers. At what point do we allow content on the internet? Sadly, there is other porn that absolutely can not be served. We can't let AMZN have things like child porn on the web. One may point to the legality of the content. I am pretty sure that some of the content on Parlor could be found to be illegal. Free speech does have its limits.  You can't conspire to overthrow the government or have child porn for example.
As a note: I have not once changed or removed any content without the permission of the member with the obvious exception of spam.
Believe me when I say I disagree with many of the things you guys say politically. Just because I disagree does in no way mean that I don't respect and understand other's opinions.
I think a big part of the problem is the way things have been defined for us.  Socialism is NOT communism. For that matter, communism isn't really communism.  I basically have a commune in my house. Everyone contributes according to their ability for the betterment of all. Occasionally, there are able-bodied freeloaders that have to be delt with accordingly. If they "can't" find employment, I have plenty of work. If they don't accept my offer of means to contribute, then they pound the pavement. As in I refuse to enable them.  You can't blame the poor for exploiting the system any more than you can a big tech from exploiting the system.  The system is set up to exploit the workers for the benefit of the corporations. Some of that includes subjugation through faulty education and the power given to corporations known as mainstream media.
There has to be a middle ground that isn't built for the profit motives of corporations led by the FED.
It's not how much we spend, It's where we spend it.
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I have noticed that the same people that supported tax cuts for corporations and opposed governmental regulations are the same people crying about the power that AAPL, GOOG, FB, Soros, et al. now have. The first amendment isn't about what speech an individual (corporation) can limit in their own domain.  I believe that I should have the right to remove any post on my website that I feel is inappropriate. Period. Linking conservatism with the terrorists in DC is the same as linking burning buildings during the BLM protests with liberal thinking people.
It appears that the same group that vows to "Fight for Freedom" is the same as those that support severe punishment for those who seek to expand their consciousness with mind-altering chemicals. What could be a more basic freedom?

Republicans and Democrats are NOT the problem.  The RNC and DNC both have allowed the FED to take and maintain complete control of our freedom (money.)  They and the money that they get from corporate donors are the problem. 
We have the resources to ensure everyone in America has an education, (not this bullshit system we have now) food, clothing, and shelter. We also have the ability to tax citizens at a rate that entices people to work. You can't blame people for following the system's rules to get free healthcare and food any more than you can blame Amazon for hireing the best CPA's in order to pay as little tax as possible.

The claims of the Capitol terrorists are valid just like those supposed grievances of the 911  terrorists, The US government wants to control the lives of real people.  The real problem is that no one understands what freedom is anymore. Don't tell me you are for freedom and you agree that I can't have a safe abortion, shoot heroin, smoke crack, or snort bath salts in my bedroom.

I believe the lack of security at the Capitol was designed to prove that there is a great disparity in law enforcement based on class.

Objectively, I see that we as a Nation deserve what we are about to get. The blame for the economic collapse does not lay at the feet of Trump or Biden, it is our fault for letting the FED get away with what we have for for the last 107 years,
... it is our fault for letting the FED get away with what we have for for the last 107 years,

Well the Fed was originally designed to support employment during a economic down turn by allowing companies to borrow to stay in business and allow for the maintaining of jobs within. I think it was at the point of the first WW that the government changed the role where only the Fed can loan to government. What it has morphed into now days is one big cluster fuck.

.... I have noticed that the same people that supported tax cuts for corporations and opposed governmental regulations are the same people crying about the power that AAPL, GOOG, FB, Soros, et al. now have.

Sounds like the republicans. Always supported big business that employees so many which is fine. People with money create jobs. Now that has all changed. The power of lobbying has morphed this government into a state of fascism. Otherwise corporations run the show.

.... We have the resources to ensure everyone in America has an education.

It takes more than resources. It takes the willingness to expand ones capabilities in order to gain meaningful employment. Many of the people now days take advantage of the gravy train which is slavery. Instead of expanding their horizons they choose a handout. This ruins them. They never will see the potential of a life well lived.

... I believe that I should have the right to remove any post on my website that I feel is inappropriate.

That's fine. But what we have in addition is the threat from both party's is to imprison all Trump supporters. This gives new meaning to the words "suppression of free speech". I say that any corporation that denies this freedom doesn't deserve a income. Let the free market decide their fate.

... Linking conservatism with the terrorists in DC is the same as linking burning buildings during the BLM protests with liberal thinking people.

Hardly. We saw the interviews of blm leadership openly declare that they were behind all this shit and that they were "trained marxists".  A marxist is a liberal. I know, I was one in my youth. I know how to overthrow a government. I must say that they are not trained as well as they think. What happened in DC was the utilization of the agent provocateur tactic. Otherwise false flag event.

... I believe the lack of security at the Capitol was designed to prove that there is a great disparity in law enforcement based on class.

I have not a clue what your trying to convey here.

https://youtu.be/3zJzCfGlYEg
I notice he doesn't mention the officer that was bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher. That is a little more than "spitting on the sidewalk" He brings up how one side they "let slide" prosicutuoin.

There was more "security" in the form of federal LEOs at a gathering of tree huggers out in the middle of nowhere MT than for the legal duty of congress to certify sleepy Joe as POTUS.
It's doublespeak at it's finest.
I don't "support the blue" but damn! how can murdering an officer defending federal officials be seen as anything other than treason?
I wanted to say the disparity in police presence was due to race, but that isn't accurate.  They want us to think BLM protest security was so strong and the past weeks were so weak because of race. It is actually about economic opportunity.
The radical right definitely is using violence to intimidate those that do not agree with their opinion.  It has become clear that there was coordination leading to the insurrection.
Can you imagine how it feels to be Mike Pence? He had people chanting "Hang Mike Pence" while his bestie sat and watched on TV refusing to send reinforcements.
Conservatives really screwed themselves by supporting Donnie (who isn't really a conservative IMHO)
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Reply #25
I am not yet sure it was all radical right as I have seen where there were three bus loads of thugs brought to the site. I suspect they were paid agitators and know if they were paid , what was the political agenda of the boss? I am sure in the febrility in a riot, many got caught up in activities they would never consider in normal situations. Bottom line is not to get caught up in prejudging the backers of the mayhem and know for sure if it was folks that would undermine the press and left's agenda, it will be silenced, therefore we may never know.

About the fed running rampant and examples of uneven law enforcement, it all sways toward the goals of promoting world order. Watch over the next 4 years, first I doubt Biden survives Harris, she will become president one way or another and Pelosi steps in as VP according to the pecking order. Law enforcement nation wide will become just like California under Harris' tenure as Atty General. Expressing a contrary idea will meet more harsh treatment than currently experienced by Trump with support and encouragement from the press. We will also join and fund every world organization, each one chipping away at our sovereignty and identity. Same for the destruction of our borders, education and monuments and rewriting history, it reduces awareness of our identity and heritage, preparing us to be world citizens then slaves.

One can also throw in religion which is under attack in our nation; just look at how churches protected by the first amendment  are shuttered by government edict as strip clubs and casinos are allowed to operate as one example. A religious person has a moral compass of absolute values he will hold true rather than following the ever changing values of the modern day. A person without convictions is much easier prey for 'conversion' to new world order and other ideals destructive to the country and even his own well being. The book of judges has details of what happens to a nation that deviates from their moral direction and it is not good. I do not advocate mandated religious adherence, a person should have the right to choose, but maybe its time to trust in the lion and the lamb, not donkeys and elephants.

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I have noticed that the same people that supported tax cuts for corporations and opposed governmental regulations are the same people crying about the power that AAPL, GOOG, FB, Soros, et al. now have. The first amendment isn't about what speech an individual (corporation) can limit in their own domain.  I believe that I should have the right to remove any post on my website that I feel is inappropriate. Period. Linking conservatism with the terrorists in DC is the same as linking burning buildings during the BLM protests with liberal thinking people.
It appears that the same group that vows to "Fight for Freedom" is the same as those that support severe punishment for those who seek to expand their consciousness with mind-altering chemicals. What could be a more basic freedom?

Republicans and Democrats are NOT the problem.  The RNC and DNC both have allowed the FED to take and maintain complete control of our freedom (money.)  They and the money that they get from corporate donors are the problem. 
We have the resources to ensure everyone in America has an education, (not this bullshit system we have now) food, clothing, and shelter. We also have the ability to tax citizens at a rate that entices people to work. You can't blame people for following the system's rules to get free healthcare and food any more than you can blame Amazon for hireing the best CPA's in order to pay as little tax as possible.

The claims of the Capitol terrorists are valid just like those supposed grievances of the 911  terrorists, The US government wants to control the lives of real people.  The real problem is that no one understands what freedom is anymore. Don't tell me you are for freedom and you agree that I can't have a safe abortion, shoot heroin, smoke crack, or snort bath salts in my bedroom.

I believe the lack of security at the Capitol was designed to prove that there is a great disparity in law enforcement based on class.

Objectively, I see that we as a Nation deserve what we are about to get. The blame for the economic collapse does not lay at the feet of Trump or Biden, it is our fault for letting the FED get away with what we have for for the last 107 years,
... it is our fault for letting the FED get away with what we have for for the last 107 years,

Well the Fed was originally designed to support employment during a economic down turn by allowing companies to borrow to stay in business and allow for the maintaining of jobs within. I think it was at the point of the first WW that the government changed the role where only the Fed can loan to government. What it has morphed into now days is one big cluster fuck.

.... I have noticed that the same people that supported tax cuts for corporations and opposed governmental regulations are the same people crying about the power that AAPL, GOOG, FB, Soros, et al. now have.

Sounds like the republicans. Always supported big business that employees so many which is fine. People with money create jobs. Now that has all changed. The power of lobbying has morphed this government into a state of fascism. Otherwise corporations run the show.

.... We have the resources to ensure everyone in America has an education.

It takes more than resources. It takes the willingness to expand ones capabilities in order to gain meaningful employment. Many of the people now days take advantage of the gravy train which is slavery. Instead of expanding their horizons they choose a handout. This ruins them. They never will see the potential of a life well lived.

... I believe that I should have the right to remove any post on my website that I feel is inappropriate.

That's fine. But what we have in addition is the threat from both party's is to imprison all Trump supporters. This gives new meaning to the words "suppression of free speech". I say that any corporation that denies this freedom doesn't deserve a income. Let the free market decide their fate.

... Linking conservatism with the terrorists in DC is the same as linking burning buildings during the BLM protests with liberal thinking people.

Hardly. We saw the interviews of blm leadership openly declare that they were behind all this shit and that they were "trained marxists".  A marxist is a liberal. I know, I was one in my youth. I know how to overthrow a government. I must say that they are not trained as well as they think. What happened in DC was the utilization of the agent provocateur tactic. Otherwise false flag event.

... I believe the lack of security at the Capitol was designed to prove that there is a great disparity in law enforcement based on class.

I have not a clue what your trying to convey here.

https://youtu.be/3zJzCfGlYEg
I notice he doesn't mention the officer that was bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher. That is a little more than "spitting on the sidewalk" He brings up how one side they "let slide" prosicutuoin.

There was more "security" in the form of federal LEOs at a gathering of tree huggers out in the middle of nowhere MT than for the legal duty of congress to certify sleepy Joe as POTUS.
It's doublespeak at it's finest.
I don't "support the blue" but damn! how can murdering an officer defending federal officials be seen as anything other than treason?
I wanted to say the disparity in police presence was due to race, but that isn't accurate.  They want us to think BLM protest security was so strong and the past weeks were so weak because of race. It is actually about economic opportunity.
The radical right definitely is using violence to intimidate those that do not agree with their opinion.  It has become clear that there was coordination leading to the insurrection.
Can you imagine how it feels to be Mike Pence? He had people chanting "Hang Mike Pence" while his bestie sat and watched on TV refusing to send reinforcements.
Conservatives really screwed themselves by supporting Donnie (who isn't really a conservative IMHO)

"... Just because I disagree does in no way mean that I don't respect and understand other's opinions."

Now I wish everyone had such balance. It is the grease on the wheel that makes things work.

"...I notice he doesn't mention the officer that was bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher."

That never came to mind as I was not talking about the select violence that did occur.

"...I don't "support the blue" "

Neither do I. I have personally seen these assholes and judges conspire all for the dollar.